Here’s an excerpt from an Interview with David J about his reportedly excellent new book – “Who Killed Mr. Moonlight? Bauhaus, Black Magick and Benediction” (currently waiting patiently on the bookshelf at G&A Towers, along with the Nick cave photo-book, ‘Some Wear Leather…’ photo-book, and ‘So This is Permanence’ Ian Curtis’s notebooks).
Post-Punk: Do you see your book as more of a catharsis, or rather a love letter to your brothers in arms from Bauhaus?
David J:Yes, I think that was a subconscious motivation. I didn’t set out for it to be cathartic. I just felt compelled to tell the story, in writing it—yes it was something of a cathartic experience. I just wrote from my heart—and also from my head, and told the truth from my point of view. I think it’s an interesting story, and a valid tale to…present to the public.
Post-Punk: It seems to me you tell the truth in self-reflective, and self-deprecating manner. It also seems to be very compassionate, especially towards Peter and Daniel.
David J: I am really glad that you see that. Really glad…that you see that. Yes…
Post-Punk: You talk about exorcisms and benedictions, and the book illustrates your journey in balancing the Manichean dualism between Apollo and Dionysus. This seems to contrast with what transpires with Peter and Daniel, who seem to be suffering from their demons.
David J: Well, we’re all seekers. Very ardent seekers. We all follow paths. Sometimes those paths cross over, and sometimes not. Peter tends to be very dogmatic, especially when he discovered Islam. I think his discovery of Islam was a great thing for him. I respected that part, especially his involvement with Sufis. And I think that he…and I sort of hesitate to say it, but I think he has lost his faith a bit, I don’t think he would deny that. And Daniel is very much more inclusive and opened minded, up until a point, and then he kind of shuts down…if that particular path is not ringing true to him. Fair enough, He has is own benchmarks, and his own way of judging these things. I think he was very apprehensive about my investigation into the area of Magick, because he still, as is Peter, subconsciously informed by his Catholic upbringing. So anything that sort of ventures into that occult area is tantamount to sleeping with the devil.
Post-Punk: It seems to be a hard thing to shake, this Catholic guilt.
David J: Yes—It’s ingrained at a very impressionable age, it’s rather ironic to say, but thank god that I did not go down that path, as my parents were not Catholic. It tends to, from my experience, fuck up those who experience it. With a few exceptions, but…well, it’s indoctrination!
Post-Punk: Reading the prose of your bio, your perspective seems more Milton, or Goethe, very age of enlightenment, and you don’t seem to let the Rock & Roll be self destructive for you.
David J: I am somewhat blessed in not having an addictive personality. I’m obsessive, but I don’t have an addictive personality, and I can walk away from things.
Post-Punk: I don’t mean to be disrespectful towards those who are Catholic, but there seems to be a correlation between that upbringing and addiction.
David J: Well, I think it has a lot to do with dealing with that indoctrination, and feeling that you are a sinner, born with original sin, that your soul is turning black from improper thoughts, not even actions, but thoughts, and that’s a heavy trip to lay on a kid, or anybody. So I think that some of the Catholics, or lapsed Catholics, all have that inside of them, and in order to deal with it they need certain “medications”.
Post-Punk: Mm, Definitely.
David J: And then they feel even more damned, more like the sinner they were purported to be by the Priests, who of course, are all clean living and “Holier than Thou” *ironic laugh*
Post-Punk: And the vow of chastity seems to have had a political and financial motivation, as in keeping familial inheritances in the Church from second sons. But not to harp on the negative aspects of organized religion. I’d like to ask your take on Magick seeming to be fashionable in the Post-Punk scene, especially in Berlin, London, and the LA area. What are you thoughts on this? There seems to be a connection to Psychic TV involved with this as well.
David J: Hm, yes. I see what you are saying. I think it can be dangerous if it’s taken too lightly. I’ve always taken it pretty seriously-But with a spirit of play which is definitely part and parcel of it and allows for the facilitating of the process; there needs to be that playful element that’s part of it… for me. That’s not to say it’s not taken seriously, because it’s a very powerful thing. And I think its very much a case of what you bring to it—is what you get out of it, like a lot of things, some things more than others; psychedelics and Magick being primary examples of that.
You know, if you come to Magick with a mindset that is attuned to a high vibratory level, you are going to reap the benefits of that. If you go to it with the low vibratory level of Black Magick, you are going to suffer. And I have never…never come to it with anything less than good intentions and positive desire, and it’s usually very, certainly with my experiences, very exploratory, and for the furthering of knowledge and artistic expression. But I think also, it doesn’t really matter if your intentions are pure like that; if you engage in specifically ritual Magick, then you are going to attract into that sphere some very uncontrollable and chaotic dark energy. It’s just like lighting a fire, and that fire attracts the positive and the negative. You have to be skilled in being able to filter and let in the positive and beneficial, and keep out the negative, and that is a very tricky endeavour.
I don’t practice ritual Magick as such anymore, it’s just part and parcel of my everyday living. Being attuned to the possibilities of synchronicity, and the application of the will and positive visualization. I don’t construct a Magick circle and don’t wave a wand, well not a physical one anyway.